Hello, this is Paul Nelson with Western sport floors, Wyoming wood floors coming to you today from Missoula, Montana. I have basic coatings with me today Mr. Tim Nathan. Hi, Paul. Tim. Welcome.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you for making the trip to Missoula, Montana. Glad to be here. Awesome. So we’re in November of 2019. Yeah, six months ago, roughly or seven. You guys release these hypertone stain? Yes. And I’ve been seeing pictures on them on social media to them. They look pretty darned impressive.
It’s it’s an impressive product. It’s something different that’s for sure. Well,
we’re going to move ahead with this video. What you’ve done so far, you just done a water pop correct for anybody that’s maybe on familiar with that. It’s pretty simple. Can you explain what a waterpop is.
Typically water popping opens up the grain of the woods so it accepts the color a little bit deeper and allows for penetration to stain so you can get the color you’re looking for it also
it is waterproof. What
did you do apologize. Yeah, so basically I just took water and I damp in the floor evenly. Not leaving any puddles or anything like that on it. I basically just wet the floor in a uniform fashion allows some green rains. Today’s day, we are sanding our floors so much tighter that we’re actually burnishing the fibers so tight, that stain has difficulty penetrating got it so we’re over sanding. In some cases, that’s what the customer wants, though. They’re nice. Well, not to mention, maples are difficult with the sand in and of itself not to have the sanding Mark show. So you do have to go very smooth and the process, we’re just basically backing it up a little bit. So this thing can penetrate awesome.
So it isn’t even absolutely critical that that this floor be completely dried from the waterpark before you begin because it’s a water based thing because it’s a water based stain,
we’re also going to show that sweat doesn’t affect the stain either sweat doesn’t
affect it. That is fact after we’ve all sweated out all the time, sweat, blood and tears.
Hyper tone. If you guys didn’t hear everything we’ve talked about is oil water hybrid technology. So you can see we’re containers are all plastic, because it’s water base. It’s non combustible, it’s non toxic, has next to no odor, this product does not require anything complicated to mix it. This is it. pigments can always settle. That’s the nature of pigments and coatings. But you can loosen them up really easily just by this, you don’t have to put a stick down in there, you don’t have to break it up, you don’t do any of that stability. The product can freeze anything that has water and it can freeze. But the great part is he thoughtfully out you’re good to go. It doesn’t matter how many times it’s frozen. It’ll never hurt it. I’m a big fan of working out of a bucket. I like using a roller paint pad or brush for application. I like using terrycloth rags for removing excess product. So I’m virtually just going to put some product in a bucket. I like to show something about this stain to show how easy it is to work with it for cleanliness. And that is simply as we’ve all gotten stain on our hands. But what we have to do to traditional stains is we now have to go get solvent. But this stain, I can just get some water. And I’m cleaning myself up. Now I still like to wear gloves because I don’t like dealing with stopping and starting and having my hands all messy. But the point is, is you can clean this up much easier with this product. When we talk about bleed with stain on raw wood, it’s pretty challenging because we know wood fibers are carrying that product. So unfortunately, I can’t say that it’s not going to bleed at all, I can only tell you that there are some techniques that we can implement that help slow it down and make it much better. This product is a lot thicker than what you’re used to with and a traditional stain. So we’ve been able to have some pretty good success rolling it and not flinging product all over the place. So it’s really kind of been drawing a lot of conversation because of that speed of application. We don’t recommend ragging the stain on and the reason being is uniform saturation is the key to not having lap lines and coloring consistency. So when guys are trying to put it on too thin with a rag like they’re used to with their old world products, they’re seeing all their swipe marks because the rag is drying out as you’re working across that floor. Because the practice a heavier body product the rag can’t hold it enough. The roller Believe it or not now then compensates for that. But where guys get frustrated is they assume that when I’m laying Unlike this, they’re gonna use so much more product. Typical spread rates for other stains might be five 600 square feet or so per gallon. We’re getting eight, even putting it on with it. Yes, it looks like you’re gonna throw a ton of product on the floor and throw a ton away. But what’s different is, it’s a thicker product that doesn’t soak all that solvent down into the wood, like you see with traditional stains. This will soak Yes, but a lot of this product I put on stays on top. So looks like there’s a ton of product on there. But you’re actually not using as much as you think, to jump right into it. How many guys sweat while they’re working on a floor. How many guys get nervous when they sweat when they’re staining? A floor. I’m going to even go a little step further. That’s a pretty aggressive Montes sweat, what would happen with your traditional stain, if we did that you would win. Let’s see what happens with this stuff. So I like using brush for cutting in my edges. Because that tape line, I’m gonna do something a little different there. So what I like to do on a tape lines, is what I call dry roll. So I try to not flood the line. When I flood the line with stain, I’m noticing a lot more bleed issue. So if I can work out some of my excess stain, and try and work it a little dry, you can actually hear it. I’m not pushing as much product that can work underneath that tape one. I was taught, I don’t know about you, Paul, that we were old school. Back in the day, we hand brushed our finishes. And we did all our stains by hand. But it was always the first wave. Second wave method was my father’s teaching for us. So we just had one guy who would take off the excess and a second guy would come along and get it all even now after that you still like that I liked the method. I don’t see any sweatshirts, by the way. We’re noticing that.
And you’re not recommending a buffer necessarily, that you can buff
the stain. But it’s a significantly different method than what you’re used to. You can’t buff it in with a carpet, because it wants to heat it up and add friction and set it up too fast. So it’s a little different. What we’re gonna recommend when we do recommend buffing it in and we have done it is a thick white pad. Oh, they stay cooler. You think about it, you got all that air in that. So now I can put this on me put on tighter. That’s the difference. And then I come back with a white pad and I just take the access working in I oftentimes will kind of go a little slow to show that lap lines aren’t as challenging to deal with maples, always the worst would my mind? Do we have a vacuum nearby? We asked the question a lot. How do I know when my stain is dry. So my father and my brothers stumbled across something years ago that I thought was quite interesting. And that was a vacuum test. The places where you’re going to find that stain doesn’t dry is mostly between the boards or down in the open green of species like oak maple a little less so on that issue but the gaps so the vacuum tests I’m looking for gaps.
Tim, you’re saying that using the vacuum you’re able to suck up some wet stain
I’m very I’m able to verify if I still got product that’s wet in my floor somewhere
that’s fabulous. And so you wouldn’t want to try and topcoat this
no run it what happens when we trap solvents underneath finish disaster occurs. The number one rule that I try to tell people is wipe it and wipe it and wipe it too many guys think that they have to kind of put it on even or uniform and then they have laps because now it looks inconsistent because they wiped it inconsistently. Just wipe it as thoroughly as you can you can’t overweight it Yeah, he can’t.
There are no lap lines. There are no swirl mark. It’s a pretty this is in my mind cabinet shop grade
stage. It’s far more uniform to than what we’ve been seeing ratably And I still want to go back to where I dripped all that water on that floor.
Absolutely no sign of where you
threw all that water on the floor. So pretty pretty wild stuff.
It looks to me like you could water pop this thing turn right around and stain the thing fairly
close fairly close. The hard part about water popping is some guys laid on heavier than others, right? You don’t want heavy, heavy heavy puddles. It could make that spotlight it could. We also remember that the environment here is so dry right we’re off guessing so fast. That is summertime it might feel a little different. We’re in
Arkansas might be a dip, Florida, Florida. He was. There you go. Well, are you willing on camera to pull this tape up and show us? What’s your lead?
It’s it’s stain on wood. I made no guarantees. Well, I’ll tell you why. We’ve been. But you notice how I dry rolled along that tape edge. Keep it less so you don’t force that bleed in those wood fibers. That’s the problem. I think when guys face a bleed, they put too much product on that tape line.
You you think the band role was?
I do. I do. Wear brushing, oftentimes forces more product pools more product, a roller, lays it down in a different fashion. And I found that rolling it doesn’t cause as much pooling along the tape line. So these right here all day long. can go into something like that. And you never have to worry about it.
Oh, wait a minute. Stop. We wrote dirty stain rags away and it’s not going to catch the facility on fire dumpster
120 degree temperature black garbage bag. I don’t care.
These are not this is not a flammable products.
Not combustible. Wow. That’s good.
Water. There’s no there is there is no odor. We are not opening that door because we’re all it’s fixating. We’re standing in here and there’s no odor. It’s just you know,
so yeah, so this would be California voc compliant. It is
anywhere in the country, anywhere in the country. Cleanup is kind of nice though to excuse me, Tim. That to be able to find any kind of hard surface and wipe the stain up. As simple as that. It’ll dry it’ll wipe off of a painted surface if it’s flat, if it’s just primed or if it’s raw drywall still pigment. But trim if it’s got paint on it, a vinyl floor outside of the gym that you’re working if someone bumps the bucket spills, I had a guy shampoo it out of carpet. Oh wow. So the key to it is keep it wet. So the binder can’t lock the pigment to the fibers. Gotcha. So when he called me in a panic I said keep it wet keep it wet and he goes what I do go get a carpet shampooer so he did that it actually shampooed out a carpet because he caught it.
Thank you for watching this video on staining maple with basic coatings. I understand that there are multiple right ways to do things but I have never seen it and I’ve looked I do not believe there’s another video on YouTube or on the internet. That doesn’t sound great a job is explaining how to stain hardwood floor is this video does there’s other right ways there’s other ways that this can be done. But this way with these hyper tone stains are the way that a lot of large gymnasium contractors are now sustaining floors that you’re seeing on TV. Hope it helped. If this was of interest to you. Please check out our other videos, Western Sport Floors on YouTube. Or follow us on Facebook at Western Sport Floors coming to you from Missoula, Montana. This is Paul Nelson. You make it a great day.